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World Cup, Season 3, Match 1E: Czechia vs Australia vs Latvia vs Bolivia; Voting deadline: Apr 8
Topic Started: Mar 11 2018, 10:20:59 AM (4,907 Views)
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This is match 1E of the third season of iCM Forum's Film World Cup.

CountryOriginal TitleEnglish TitleYearManagerIMDBICM
CzechiaNe˙plnÚ zatmenÝIncomplete Eclipse1983Carmel98linklink
AustraliaSamson and Delilah2009Daviddoeslinklink
LatviaMotociklu vasaraSummer of Motorcycles1975RogerTheMovieManiac88linklink
BoliviaUkamauAnd So It Is1966burneyfanlinklink


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Voting Rules:
- You must watch all 4 films before you vote.
- To vote, rank the 4 films from most favorite to least favorite. (note: you're ranking the individual films, not the countries)

Voting deadline = Apr 8th
Countdown till deadline

The countries that end at 1st and 2nd place proceed to the next round. The ranking of the match will be decided using these rules:
- Ranked by lowest average ranking.
- In case of a tie between two movies, head-to-head determines the winner (how many people thought A>B and how many thought B>A).
- In case there's still a tie after the previous rule or there is a tie between three or four movies, most #1-votes determines the winner.
- Still a tie? Fewest #4-votes determines the winner.
- Still a tie? The match will have a 3 day extension (except when the tie is only between #3 and #4).

Here's a quick summary of how the tournament works


iCM-list of all movies in this World Cup

List of all topics related to the World Cup including previous seasons
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The English Title of Latvian movie is Summer of Motorcycles

Why is there a pot if the subs are available? I'll check them against the russian sub.
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The English Title of Latvian movie is Summer of Motorcycles
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1. Ukamau
2. Motociklu vasara
3. Ne˙plnÚ zatmenÝ
4. Samson and Delilah

Only the Aymara was pretty strong.
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Slightly (okay, severely) off-topic, but can I manage a country next year even if I don't participate in the World Cup? Australia has some truly awesome unsung gems out there, and imho I would not include Samson and Delilah among them. <_<
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No. I'm sure we've got enough of those. :down:

I should be able to fit Motociklu vasara's english sub into much less bulky russian sub timings later. Gonna watch with the russian sub right now.
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Mar 11 2018, 01:10:17 PM
Australia has some truly awesome unsung gems out there, and imho I would not include Samson and Delilah among them. <_<
Why? Because it deals with the extremely harsh conditions many aboriginals live under? Because it doesn't sufficiently whitewash the country's long history of discrimination against aboriginals?
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Mar 11 2018, 01:10:17 PM
Australia has some truly awesome unsung gems out there, and imho I would not include Samson and Delilah among them. <_<
Why? Because it deals with the extremely harsh conditions many aboriginals live under? Because it doesn't sufficiently whitewash the country's long history of discrimination against aboriginals?
No. Because it's built on a gimmick that becomes glaringly artificial by the time the film is over. This what I wrote about the movie at the time:

Samson & Delilah (2009). Blamed for her grandmother's death and excommunicated, a young Aboriginal woman heads to the city, accompanied by a young Aboriginal man with a petrol sniffing habit, in this Australian drama. Marketed with the simple tagline "True Love", Samson & Delilah tries to be a romantic drama with a difference, and as the two 'lovers' barely speak to each other and mostly communicate through grunts and groans, this is certainly not your average romance film. In fact, the male protagonist only ever says one word aloud. The novelty of this approach wears thin pretty quickly though and as it becomes glaringly obvious that writer-director Warwick Thornton is doing everything he can to avoid them speaking to another, the whole film begins to feel artificial. I liked the beautiful sunrises, vast outback scenery and starkly different city landscapes that Thornton added to the mix here, and the performances are solid all round, but given how manufactured it feels, the film only gets a cautious recommendation from me.
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My review of 'Incomplete Eclipse', from the CuM SWAP with PdA:

"Man is alone. Everyone lives alone with himself. The sooner you realize this, the better."
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1. Ukamau (1966)
2. Samson and Delilah (2009)
3. Motociklu Vasara [Motorcycle Summer] (1975)
4. Ne˙plnÚ zatměnÝ [Incomplete Eclipse] (1982)
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Mar 11 2018, 01:10:17 PM
Slightly (okay, severely) off-topic, but can I manage a country next year even if I don't participate in the World Cup? Australia has some truly awesome unsung gems out there, and imho I would not include Samson and Delilah among them. <_<
There's no rule you have to participate in the matches if you manage a country, but I'm not really fond of the idea. Would be nice if you at least join in the matches that seem interesting to you.

On the other hand, when managers sign up, I don't know if they will watch the matches as well. The only thing I really ask of those members is that they stick around and meet the deadlines when they should submit a movie.
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1. Ukamau 7/10
2. Samson and Delilah 7/10
3. Motociklu vasara 6/10
4. Ne˙plnÚ zatmenÝ 6/10

I don't strongly like any of these films, but I don't hate any one of them either, so this was an okay and will likely be a forgettable match.
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Neuplne Zatmeni 8/10
Motociklu vasara 7(6.5)/10
Ukamau 6/10
Samson And Delilah [2009] 5/10

no idea about the final order in this round, looks like an interesting battle
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1. Ukamau (1966)
2. Motociklu Vasara [Motorcycle Summer] (1975)
3. Ne˙plnÚ zatměnÝ [Incomplete Eclipse] (1982)
4. Samson and Delilah (2009)

The female lead of Motociklu Vasara is charming. Too bad this seems to be the only film she starred.
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Mar 11 2018, 11:01:37 PM
Neuplne Zatmeni 8/10
Motociklu vasara 7(6.5)/10
Ukamau 6/10
Samson And Delilah [2009] 5/10

no idea about the final order in this round, looks like an interesting battle
So far you're the only one who didn't put Ukamau on top. If this continues Bolivia surely wins.
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1. Ukamau 7/10
2. Motociklu vasara 7/10
3. Samson and Delilah 6/10
4. Ne˙plnÚ zatmenÝ 6/10 disappointed, there are so many good movies from Czechia
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Weakest round so far

1 Ne˙plnÚ zatmenÝ
2 Samson and Delilah
3 Ukamau
4 Motociklu vasara
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Mar 12 2018, 11:07:10 AM
Weakest round so far

1 Ne˙plnÚ zatmenÝ
2 Samson and Delilah
3 Ukamau
4 Motociklu vasara
You didn't even dare to post your ratings?
I noticed your 2.4/10 on Criticker for Motociklu vasara. tehe
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The new sub for Motociklu vasara from the russian timings.

The russian translation is better by the way, but I only fixed the typos and added a few lines.
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Neuplne Zatmeni 8/10
Motociklu vasara 7(6.5)/10
Ukamau 6/10
Samson And Delilah [2009] 5/10

no idea about the final order in this round, looks like an interesting battle
So far you're the only one who didn't put Ukamau on top. If this continues Bolivia surely wins.
Right now I'd bet Czechia and Bolivia to advance
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Posted Image Ukamau: 17-4
Posted Image Motociklu vasara: 10-11
Posted Image Ne˙plnÚ zatmenÝ: 8-13
Posted Image Samson and Delilah: 7-14
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The English Title of Latvian movie is Summer of Motorcycles
Plex Movie says the title is "Motorcycle Summer".
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The English Title of Latvian movie is Summer of Motorcycles
Plex Movie says the title is "Motorcycle Summer".
Well that's a vague meaning. Is it a movie about a Motorcycle brand, Summer?
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The English Title of Latvian movie is Summer of Motorcycles
Plex Movie says the title is "Motorcycle Summer".
Well that's a vague meaning. Is it a movie about a Motorcycle brand, Summer?
There's no such brand. But I wonder which brand are those motorcycles in, probably Ural. You'd know better than me, I presume since those occupied USSR market in largest number.
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The English Title of Latvian movie is Summer of Motorcycles
Plex Movie says the title is "Motorcycle Summer".
Well that's a vague meaning. Is it a movie about a Motorcycle brand, Summer?
From my limited comprehension of the Latvian language, I understand that the singular, i.e. 'motorcycle', is translated as 'motociklu' and that the plural inserts an 'i' in place of the 'u' to make 'motocikli'.

I believe, therefore, that the correct title in translation is 'Motorcycle Summer'. I suppose it refers to the one bike that he and she share to explore the vagaries and mysteries of themselves and the rural wonderland that they fleetingly immerse themselves in with such abandon and openness.
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The English Title of Latvian movie is Summer of Motorcycles
Plex Movie says the title is "Motorcycle Summer".
Well that's a vague meaning. Is it a movie about a Motorcycle brand, Summer?
From my limited comprehension of the Latvian language, I understand that the singular, i.e. 'motorcycle', is translated as 'motociklu' and that the plural inserts an 'i' in place of the 'u' to make 'motocikli'.

I believe, therefore, that the correct title in translation is 'Motorcycle Summer'. I suppose it refers to the one bike that he and she share to explore the vagaries and mysteries of themselves and the rural wonderland that they fleetingly immerse themselves in with such abandon and openness.
I suppose you discovered it at SMz since there's a Latvian person there who tirelessly translates films from his country.
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The English Title of Latvian movie is Summer of Motorcycles
Plex Movie says the title is "Motorcycle Summer".
Well that's a vague meaning. Is it a movie about a Motorcycle brand, Summer?
From my limited comprehension of the Latvian language, I understand that the singular, i.e. 'motorcycle', is translated as 'motociklu' and that the plural inserts an 'i' in place of the 'u' to make 'motocikli'.

I believe, therefore, that the correct title in translation is 'Motorcycle Summer'. I suppose it refers to the one bike that he and she share to explore the vagaries and mysteries of themselves and the rural wonderland that they fleetingly immerse themselves in with such abandon and openness.
I suppose you discovered it at SMz since there's a Latvian person there who tirelessly translates films from his country.
Nah, I've never used that site. I watched the film on YouTube but the upload I watched seems to have disappeared. It didn't have the logo in the top right.
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The English Title of Latvian movie is Summer of Motorcycles
Plex Movie says the title is "Motorcycle Summer".
Well that's a vague meaning. Is it a movie about a Motorcycle brand, Summer?
There's no such brand. But I wonder which brand are those motorcycles in, probably Ural. You'd know better than me, I presume since those occupied USSR market in largest number.
After a bit of googling it would seem that the motorcycle of the title is an Izhevsk Planeta Sport. It was apparently styled after Japanese bikes. The Planeta Sport was the first mass-produced sports motorcycle in the Soviet Union and was unveiled in 1974, the year before Uldis Brauns' film was released. A nice showcase for the then new product!
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1. Ne˙plnÚ zatmenÝ
2. Samson & Delilah
3. Ukamau
4. Motociklu vasara
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1. Ukamau 7+/10
2. Ne˙plnÚ zatmenÝ 7-/10
3. Motociklu vasara 6/10
4. Samson and Delilah 5/10

I watched Ukamau 4.5 years ago, when I just started my Unesco-challenge. I don't remember it vividly, but I jumped through the movie yesterday to revive my memory and it was certainly better than the other three. None of those blew me away.

Ne˙plnÚ zatmenÝ had an interesting story and the girl did a good job. I just felt it didn't go deep enough into the emotional and sociological consequences of what happened to her.

Motociklu vasara had some charming moments, but overall too thin to make an impression.

Samson and Delilah bored me. The lack of dialogue and the lack of story didn't really work for me. And should I feel sorry for them? Sure, I felt sorry for the way "normal" people looked at them, but apart from that Samson was an annoying asshole. Or maybe I missed something? Why the hell did he
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Because of those scenes I'm wondering if this is normal behavior in an aboriginal society. This movie makes me feel negative about them. I hope that was not the purpose and I'm just a dumb ignorant watcher who's not intelligent enough to get the point of this movie.
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Ne˙plnÚ zatmenÝ - 8
Ukamau - 7
Motociklu vasara - 7
Samson & Delilah - 7
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1. Motociklu vasara (Latvia) 7/10
2. Samson and Delilah (Australia) 6/10
3. Ne˙plnÚ zatmenÝ (Czechia) 6/10
4. Ukamau (Bolivia) 5/10
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Posted Image Ukamau: 1.909 (23-10)
Posted Image Ne˙plnÚ zatmenÝ: 2.455 (17-16)
Posted Image Motociklu vasara: 2.636 (15-18)
Posted Image Samson and Delilah: 3 (11-22)
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03. Ne˙plnÚ zatmenÝ

04. Motociklu vasara
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2. Samson and Delilah - 7
3. Ukamau - 6
4. Motociklu Vasara - 6
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A lot of harsh raters on here, haha. 6s, 7s and 8s abound. 'Motociklu vasara' looks doomed.
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A lot of harsh raters on here, haha. 6s, 7s and 8s abound. 'Motociklu vasara' looks doomed.
What's harsh about 6's, 7's and 8's? Did you expect people to rate lots of 9's and 10's in the world cup? For a lot of people 6 is average, so lots of 7's and 8's is not that bad. To me Motociklu vasara didn't rise above average.
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A lot of harsh raters on here, haha. 6s, 7s and 8s abound. 'Motociklu vasara' looks doomed.
What's harsh about 6's, 7's and 8's? Did you expect people to rate lots of 9's and 10's in the world cup? For a lot of people 6 is average, so lots of 7's and 8's is not that bad. To me Motociklu vasara didn't rise above average.
Well, 6 is an average film for me as well. 7 is a like with minor shortcomings. 8 is a very fine film but short of greatness. 9 is either a borderline great or a particular favourite. 10 is a film to cherish with every fibre of my being.

Going by my ratings framework, I would personally expect to hand out at least one and maybe two 9s in each match. Most people surely are nominating films that are at least personal favourites. 'Motociklu' vasara' is a film that falls into the category of 'favourite' and 'Ukamau' is a truly masterful film. How someone can rate 'Ukamau' a 6/10 I truly cannot comprehend.

Here's a little sharing of reactions from the old IMDb boards between myself and jdidaco on 'Motociklu vasara' and its qualities: https://filmboards.com/board/p/893/4/.

Maybe I'm just a more forgiving rater than is the norm!
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A lot of harsh raters on here, haha. 6s, 7s and 8s abound. 'Motociklu vasara' looks doomed.
Wait until sebby comes forward. :D

Before him it was mightysparks, but she gave up of cups.
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I would be no one's friend if I was assigning numerical values to the World Cup films lol

(except last round, that round was good, sans one)
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