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World Cup, Season 3, Match 1D: France vs India vs Serbia vs Mali; Voting deadline: Mar 21
Topic Started: Feb 22 2018, 06:43:23 AM (4,383 Views)
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This is match 1D of the third season of iCM Forum's Film World Cup.

CountryOriginal TitleEnglish TitleYearManagerIMDBICM
FranceUne si jolie petite plageSuch a Pretty Little Beach1949klaus78linklink
IndiaDabbaThe Lunchbox2013tommy_leazaqlinklink
SerbiaPaviljon VIWard Six1978Mario Gaborovićlinklink
MaliYeelenBrightness1987Fergenapridolinklink


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Voting Rules:
- You must watch all 4 films before you vote.
- To vote, rank the 4 films from most favorite to least favorite. (note: you're ranking the individual films, not the countries)

Voting deadline = Mar 21st
Countdown till deadline

The countries that end at 1st and 2nd place proceed to the next round. The ranking of the match will be decided using these rules:
- Ranked by lowest average ranking.
- In case of a tie between two movies, head-to-head determines the winner (how many people thought A>B and how many thought B>A).
- In case there's still a tie after the previous rule or there is a tie between three or four movies, most #1-votes determines the winner.
- Still a tie? Fewest #4-votes determines the winner.
- Still a tie? The match will have a 3 day extension (except when the tie is only between #3 and #4).

Here's a quick summary of how the tournament works


iCM-list of all movies in this World Cup

List of all topics related to the World Cup including previous seasons
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Looks like a pretty strong foursome this time around.
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Just noticed... should this be match 1D?
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1 Such a Pretty Little Beach
2 Yeelen
3 The Lunchbox
4 Ward 6
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Just a heads up folks that there are two versions of Ward 6 by the same director. The 1973 version is black and white. The 1978 version is in colour.

Mario chose the b&w one.
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1. Dabba 7/10
2. Une si jolie petite plage 6/10
3. Yeelen 5/10
4. Paviljon broj VI 5/10
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Feb 22 2018, 12:26:15 PM
Just a heads up folks that there are two versions of Ward 6 by the same director. The 1973 version is black and white. The 1978 version is in colour.

Mario chose the b&w one.
Gotta be a mistake; it's actually a re-release of a TV movie which premiered in 1973, but since the lead actor died in 1978, I guess they thought to submit it to Cannes where it received Un certain regard.
It's a same film but I can't say whether the original was shot in b/w or not since I never saw it. The only difference is that Centar Film appears as second production, which means that the copy you watch truly is from 1978.
A single film released twice.

The subtitles are not perfect, but watchable. Since I wouldn't make new ones because of few errors, I'll just name them here so that when you watch you know what is it about:

1) The line: "If humanity get used to treat illnesses by pills and drops, it would completely neglect religion and philosophy, in which it found not only shield (not CHILD!) against its misfortunes, but the very happiness itself.

2) Another translator's mistake: on two occasions, the 'madman' refers to mandarins, but correct is tangerines - because mandarina is a Serbian word for tangerine, as funny as it sounds. When I first heard that there is a mandarin language, my first thought was 'what the hell this fruit have to do with Chinese?'

3) The fella who keeps quiet all the time, and starts shouting in the closing scenes, speaks this:

Murderers! You, who were shooting... destroyed human souls... Guardians of hell, you blame common sense for everything!... Christ persecuted you... You murderer!

4) The summary at IMDb is slightly incorrect: I've read the Chekhov's novel and the unfortunate man put in mental asylum is NOT a political prisoner; he was allegedly taken as having persecution mania. This was never indicated in the film, which I found to be a great move since the message can transcend much above and indicate any sort of non-democratic treatment or totalitarian doctrine.
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Feb 22 2018, 08:18:09 AM
Just noticed... should this be match 1D?
Yeah, that's what you get from hurrying. I copied the title from 1C and changed the countries and the deadline, but not the match-letter. I'll do it now.
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Feb 22 2018, 07:04:46 PM
maxwelldeux
Feb 22 2018, 08:18:09 AM
Just noticed... should this be match 1D?
Yeah, that's what you get from hurrying. I copied the title from 1C and changed the countries and the deadline, but not the match-letter. I'll do it now.
I've never hurried and made a mistake on this forum. Shame on you.

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Feb 22 2018, 03:53:15 PM
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Feb 22 2018, 12:26:15 PM
Just a heads up folks that there are two versions of Ward 6 by the same director. The 1973 version is black and white. The 1978 version is in colour.

Mario chose the b&w one.
Gotta be a mistake; it's actually a re-release of a TV movie which premiered in 1973, but since the lead actor died in 1978, I guess they thought to submit it to Cannes where it received Un certain regard.
It's a same film but I can't say whether the original was shot in b/w or not since I never saw it. The only difference is that Centar Film appears as second production, which means that the copy you watch truly is from 1978.
A single film released twice.

The subtitles are not perfect, but watchable. Since I wouldn't make new ones because of few errors, I'll just name them here so that when you watch you know what is it about:

1) The line: "If humanity get used to treat illnesses by pills and drops, it would completely neglect religion and philosophy, in which it found not only shield (not CHILD!) against its misfortunes, but the very happiness itself.

2) Another translator's mistake: on two occasions, the 'madman' refers to mandarins, but correct is tangerines - because mandarina is a Serbian word for tangerine, as funny as it sounds. When I first heard that there is a mandarin language, my first thought was 'what the hell this fruit have to do with Chinese?'

3) The fella who keeps quiet all the time, and starts shouting in the closing scenes, speaks this:

Murderers! You, who were shooting... destroyed human souls... Guardians of hell, you blame common sense for everything!... Christ persecuted you... You murderer!

4) The summary at IMDb is slightly incorrect: I've read the Chekhov's novel and the unfortunate man put in mental asylum is NOT a political prisoner; he was allegedly taken as having persecution mania. This was never indicated in the film, which I found to be a great move since the message can transcend much above and indicate any sort of non-democratic treatment or totalitarian doctrine.

I started to watch it but noticed the IMDB link for this match had a different year, different runtime, and was supposedly in b&w.

Might be a good idea to have it linked to the 1978 IMDB page instead of the other one.


Thanks for the clarification.
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Feb 22 2018, 03:53:15 PM
which means that the copy you watch truly is from 1978.
A single film released twice.
So is it in fact the same movie? And it's just a duplicate on IMDb? Or are we watching the 1978-version and 1973 is slightly different?

When you submitted your choices for this round, you linked to the 1973-page.
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Feb 22 2018, 09:26:29 PM
Mario Gaborović
Feb 22 2018, 03:53:15 PM
which means that the copy you watch truly is from 1978.
A single film released twice.
So is it in fact the same movie? And it's just a duplicate on IMDb? Or are we watching the 1978-version and 1973 is slightly different?

When you submitted your choices for this round, you linked to the 1973-page.
I believe it's a same film because that wouldn't be the first time for Yugoslavian films. For instance, Ritam zločina was first made as a 1980 TV movie called Good Spirit of Zagreb, but then another producer appeared and the movie was again released, this time with different title and in theaters.

Žena s krajolikom was also a TV film, made for TV Sarajevo in 1976; Emir Kusturica had a particular fondness of it, since the director was kind of mentor to him, and when the latter died suddenly he and some other friends of his decided to run it in theaters and find another producer - again Centar Film from Belgrade.

And finally Paviljon broj VI. I had a reason to believe that when there's a interesting film made for TV, this producer re-releases it for good sake, as to make it available for wider audience.
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In that case it doesn't really matter which page I link too.
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Feb 22 2018, 09:47:15 PM
In that case it doesn't really matter which page I link too.

If it was initially pointing to the 1978 page I would not had been confused about the year, the different run time, and whether it was in B&W or colour.

I guess there is no need now as most people will see this discussion. I just hope no one else searches for the film based on the IMDB details.
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Feb 22 2018, 09:57:39 PM
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Feb 22 2018, 09:47:15 PM
In that case it doesn't really matter which page I link too.

If it was initially pointing to the 1978 page I would not had been confused about the year, the different run time
You must know that runtime isn't always exact. I just found by google search that the 1973 version was indeed b/w, and that the new version was edited out this material. So it wasn't filmed twice, and I know that because actors look much younger than they looked in the late 70s.

Finally, the video I provided is from 1978, but its duration time is 93 minutes, which means the runtime of 97mins was false.
Edited by Mario Gaborović, Feb 22 2018, 10:21:23 PM.
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1. Une si jolie petite plage [Riptide] (1949)
2. Yeelen [Brightness] (1987)
3. Paviljon VI [Ward Six] (1978)
4. डिब्बा [The Lunchbox] (2013)

Ward Six was better than all the films in the first three rounds, but the competition is just too fierce this round.
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1. Paviljon VI [Ward Six] (1978)
2. Yeelen [Brightness] (1987)
3. Une si jolie petite plage [Riptide] (1949)
4. डिब्बा [The Lunchbox] (2013)

i liked irrfan khan's performance. good match
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I suggest everyone to read Ward Six; it doesn't have more than 60 pages I believe. The scarce dialogue in the film adaptation pretty much encapsulates its ideas. And how beautiful some of those rants are; to whoever felt he's being surrounded by mediocrity, aware of that shortage of intelligent people who'd know and love to discuss serious matters. (l)
Edited by Mario Gaborović, Feb 23 2018, 01:59:05 AM.
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Feb 22 2018, 09:57:39 PM
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Feb 22 2018, 09:47:15 PM
In that case it doesn't really matter which page I link too.

If it was initially pointing to the 1978 page I would not had been confused about the year, the different run time
You must know that runtime isn't always exact. I just found by google search that the 1973 version was indeed b/w, and that the new version was edited out this material. So it wasn't filmed twice, and I know that because actors look much younger than they looked in the late 70s.

Finally, the video I provided is from 1978, but its duration time is 93 minutes, which means the runtime of 97mins was false.
Well, this convinces me to change the link to 1978. :wacko:
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Feb 22 2018, 09:47:15 PM
In that case it doesn't really matter which page I link too.

If it was initially pointing to the 1978 page I would not had been confused about the year, the different run time
You must know that runtime isn't always exact. I just found by google search that the 1973 version was indeed b/w, and that the new version was edited out this material. So it wasn't filmed twice, and I know that because actors look much younger than they looked in the late 70s.

Finally, the video I provided is from 1978, but its duration time is 93 minutes, which means the runtime of 97mins was false.
Well, this convinces me to change the link to 1978. :wacko:
Okay change it. But IMO everybody can check both(?) films as the material is exactly the same.
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Very good round. Tough choice on #1-#3.

1. Une si jolie petite plage 8/10
2. Yeelen 8/10
3. Dabba 8/10
4. Paviljon VI 6/10
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1. Paviljon VI
2. Yeelen
3. Une si jolie la petite plage
4. Dabba
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1. Une si jolie petite plage - 8,5
2. Paviljon VI - 7,8
3. Dabba - 7,5
4. Yeelen - 7,5

very good round indeed!
although the number one would have been very hard to beat, it's one of my alltime favorites
like all four movies very much!
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Score after 7 voters:

Posted Image Une si jolie petite plage: 1.714 (16-5)
Posted Image Yeelen: 2.429 (11-10)
Posted Image Paviljon VI: 2.714 (9-12)
Posted Image Dabba: 3.143 (6-15)
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1. Une si jolie petite plage (France) 8/10
2. Yeelen (Mali) 8/10
3. Paviljon VI (Serbia) 7/10
4. Dabba (India) 5/10
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Are you finally going to switch two versions, Joachim? Seems like people still check 1973 version.
Of course whether one should check them both is another question.
Edited by Mario Gaborović, Feb 25 2018, 12:32:38 PM.
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Are you finally going to switch two versions, Joachim? Seems like people still check 1973 version.
Of course whether one should check them both is another question.
I already did right after you gave the definite answer.
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Are you finally going to switch two versions, Joachim? Seems like people still check 1973 version.
Of course whether one should check them both is another question.
I already did right after you gave the definite answer.
I can't see it on the icm page, it's still 1973 version there among 48 films.
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Are you finally going to switch two versions, Joachim? Seems like people still check 1973 version.
Of course whether one should check them both is another question.
I already did right after you gave the definite answer.
I can't see it on the icm page, it's still 1973 version there among 48 films.
Ah, you mean in the iCM-list of this cup? I forgot about that list for a moment. I already changed in the OP of this thread and in the schedule.

I'll change it in the list...
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1. Dabba
2. Une si jolie petite plage
3. Yeelen
4. Paviljon broj VI

For me, this group had the weakest number one, but the strongest number four of all the groups so far. In other words, an extremely close group. Four good movies.
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4. Dabba
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Posted Image Une si jolie petite plage: 1.6 (24-6)
Posted Image Yeelen: 2.5 (15-15)
Posted Image Paviljon VI: 2.8 (12-18)
Posted Image Dabba: 3.1 (9-21)
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1. The Lunchbox
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2. Such a Pretty Little Beach
3. Brightness
4. Ward Six
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1. Une si jolie petite plage - 7.5/10
2. Yeelen - 7/10
3. Dabba - 6/10
4. Paviljon VI - 6/10
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2.Une si jolie petite plage (France)
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4.Paviljon VI (Serbia)
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Serbia's not doing very well. Five #4-votes from the last six voters.

Posted Image Une si jolie petite plage: 1.643 (33-9)
Posted Image Yeelen: 2.571 (20-22)
Posted Image Dabba: 2.643 (19-23)
Posted Image Paviljon VI: 3.143 (12-30)
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Yeelen 7(6.5)/10
Dabba 6(.5)/10
Pavilion 6/10
Jolie 5(4.5)/10
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These rankings are so hard! I keep changing my mind -- thank you so much to klaus, tommy, Mario, and Fergenaprido for such a great round of films.

1.Dabba (India)
2.Une si jolie petite plage (France)
3.Yeelen (Mali)
4.Paviljon VI (Serbia)
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